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Atheists, do you deny that Jesus existed when 99% of all reputable scholars agree that Jesus existed?
Do you willfully deny the facts?
9 Secular Sources For Jesus
Josephus (Jewish historian), Tacitus (Roman historian), Pliny the Younger (Roman politician), Phlegon (freed slave who wrote histories), Lucian (Greek satirist), Celsus (Roman philosopher), Mara Bar Serapion (prisoner awaiting execution), Suetonius, and Thallus.
Josephus
The famous Testimonium Flavianum found in the Antiquities of the Jews 18.63-64, in its current form summarises the ministry and death of Jesus.
Tacitus
Tacitus’ work called the Annals (written c. 116) Book 15.44 mentions Christ as a person executed by Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius.
Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus (AD 61-113), or Pliny the Younger, was the governor of Bithynia (AD 112) Christians were "meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verse a hymn to Christ as to a god, and bound themselves to a solemn oath, not to do wicked deeds, never commit fraud, theft, adultery, not to lie nor to deny a trust. . . " – Epistles X96
Phlegon, born about A.D. 80 "And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place . . . ” – Origen, "Against Celsus", Book 2.33
Lucian of Samosata lived A.D. 120-180. The Christians. . . worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced this new cult, and was crucified on that account. . . . You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains their contempt for death and self devotion . . . their lawgiver [taught] they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take on faith . . . – The Passing Peregrinus
CELSUS (~ 178 A.D.)
"Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired
certain [magical] powers… He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of
them gave himself out to be a god… It was by means of sorcery that He was able to accomplish the wonders
which He performed… Let us believe that these cures, or the resurrection, or the feeding of a multitude with a
few loaves… These are nothing more than the tricks of jugglers… It is by the names of certain demons, and by
the use of incantations, that the Christians appear to be possessed of [miraculous] power…"
"Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her
living by the work of her hands. His mother had been turned out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade,
on being convicted of adultery [with a Roman soldier named Panthera]. Being thus driven away by her husband,
and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard."
"Jesus accordingly exhibited after His death only the appearance of wounds received on the
cross, and was not in reality so wounded as He is described to have been."
Too much to keep writing.
Mara Bar Serapion
What else can we say, when the wise are forcibly dragged off by tyrants, their wisdom is captured by insults, and their minds are oppressed and without defense? What advantage did the Athenians gain from murdering Socrates? Famine and plague came upon them as a punishment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea and the Jews, desolate and driven from their own kingdom, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates is not dead, because of Plato; neither is Pythagoras, because of the statue of Juno; nor is the wise king, because of the "new law" he laid down.
Suetonius was a secretary and historian to Hadrian, Emperor of Rome from 117 to 138 AD. Regarding Emperor Claudius (41-54 AD) and the Riot of Rome in 49 AD, Suetonius wrote:
As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Christ], he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome.
There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.
There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html
"Atheists, do you deny that Jesus existed when 99% of all reputable scholars agree that Jesus existed?’
[Citation needed]
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/scott_oser/hojfaq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
By the way, you mentioned Josephus? At least part of what he wrote is either a forgery or an outright confabulation, since it proposes that Josephus was present at the crucifixion, when in fact he would have been (at most) a very young child at the time.
However, I do accept that a man upon whom the Jesus myths are based once existed. That does not lend any credence toward any of the supernatural claims regarding his existence.
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Wow; what an original cut and paste.
You’re apparently unaware of the meaning of the words "reputable" and "credible".
*drink*
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I don’t claim to know, because I wasn’t around 2000 years ago. Just keep in mind, though, that "some guiy named Jesus" does NOT equate with "the Christian god"
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The Testimonium Flavianum has been repeatedly confirmed as a forgery.
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99% of all reputable scholars say so? well that’s all the proof i need for a man walking on water and returning from three days dead. sign me up!
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Wow, a bunch of historians who lived long after his death and never saw him totally mentioned him in their works. That must mean he’s real.
What if I were to write down into a book of mine that in the 1970’s there lived a man who bred flying pigs and could walk on air? Would you believe me? Why not? I totally mentioned him in print just now, just like the ancient historians.
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Known forgeries, vague mentions, quote mining, people who lived about 200 years later, appeal to authority and hand-waving, you’re grasping at straws and you know it.
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I’m pretty sure the Jesus myth was based on one or more disgruntled Jewish priests or cult leaders of the time of which there was no shortage, the Romans for their part weren’t afraid to nail criminals and weirdos to a tree. But no miracle performing zombie-man-god who defied death and flew off into the sky in recorded history outside your Babble.
Jesus didnt exist. All those "scholars" are after the fact heresay
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Interesting…not one of your sources was actually contemporaneous with the time that Jesus lived. I also question the validity of your appeal to authority ("99% of scholars agree that…"). I believe Jesus existed. I do not believe that your case is adequately made.
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Appeal to authority = false argument
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jesus existed as a human, however.
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You are correct, but you fail to mention that the much larger percentage of contemporary biblical scholars think Jesus was nothing but an apocalyptic prophet.
And Dax is incredibly naive – people die for lies all the time.
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Wake up. The Jesus fable is heavily based on other dead ‘gods’. Jesus is a plagiarized amalgamation of over a dozen (much older) "messiah" myths based on ancient sun worship –In this particular case, the pagan celebration of the winter solstice ("Christmas") and the spring equinox ("Easter").
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http://www.pocm.info/
http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/jhcjp.htm
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/atheism/106446
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/gideonbernstein/
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/index.htm
You are confusing the possibility of a person existing with evidence that said person was in any way divine– and not a single one of your sources is a first hand account, for what it’s worth. If Jesus was born during a census, where is the census record of his birth? For that matter, where is the record of the extermination of all baby boys under the age of two by Herod? Someone who lived 40 years after Jesus’ supposed resurrection does not a reputable source make.
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Not ONE of the people you mentioned was a contemporary of the man.
But yes, I think he probably existed. There might even have been more than one Jesus.
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I’ve never denied his existence, I’ve denied his supernatural powers.
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The documents of Josephus that are not forgeries, only say that there were a group of people, who followed the teachings of a man named Jesus. All of the others… well, either you’re an idiot, or you can see that they were written well after his lifetime. It’s like me hearing about a street sweeper 150 years ago, and claiming everything I’d heard about him was the absolute truth.
Plus, I may be in the minority, but I openly deny his existence. There is not even close to enough evidence for me to believe in his existence, and I’m not going to make exceptions to appease retards.
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ur confus .
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