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Reading classical Greek: language and literature (A275) – a brief introduction
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Dr James Robson introduces Reading classical Greek: language and literature (A275)
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For more information about ‘Reading classical Greek: language and literature’ visit http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?C01A275
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Duration : 0:3:24
Im Greek And Im …
Im Greek And Im Happy About That!!!
watch google video: …
watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on ‘The Shape of Ancient Thought’
I prefer only …
I prefer only Parmenides, Plato, from what I can tell. It has to do with the fact that I can control my state of consciousness and be mindful of what the two mentioned philosophers perceived with their mind’s eye. Mastery, utter mastery of the entire nervous system. The world of ideas is deeper than in the mind. The mind can only know what has happened. The higher mind/self can see both, aand parallel realities.
I did suspect that …
I did suspect that it was as early as Plato. In Latin the same thing happened around 300-400 AD – and very completely.
Worth pointing out, …
Worth pointing out, Plato himself recognized this change of vowel length differentiation withing his own lifetime and did criticize it.
uoinos. the u being …
uoinos. the u being kind of like English w. Diphthongs used to be diphthongs even as late as the year 200 AD. But soon the upsilon became a bilabial and the v and f.
I agree with you …
I agree with you fully. But I assert that with great effort, even the pronunciation of 8th century BC Greek can be mastered in a few months. Back then the ou used to be pronounced approximately as omikron + ou, hence the spelling. And ypsilon used to be pronounced as, for lack of better methods to represent: oupsilon. Digamma used to have the same of ou + [insert following vowel]. Only thorough oral practice and passion @ awesomeness can make such efforts count. FOINOS
The difference …
The difference between latin and greek is the difference between a child that can understand and an adult that can understand and MAKE himself understood. The unbelievable vocabulary of greek words and the perfect sounds that you discover in poetry and all literature is what makes you realise how incomplete and impotent “languages” are english, french etc. Modern greek is hugely relevant with ancient greek. And you have to be born greek to realise it or at least live in greece for long time.
I know that its …
I know that its difficult to accurately speak ancient greek with the correct accent. But remember the HUGE difference between latin and Greek. First latin was immensly influenced by greek words and greek thought. Secondly latin is no more spoken after the fall of west roman empire. On the other hand GREEK is still alive through 5000 years of written records. As a greek modern speaker i can just tell you that I can read the ancient letters on the monument and that makes every greek shake from awe
If you assert that …
If you assert that th and ph and kh were different back in the day, compared to how they do it now in good ole Greece, I have no intellectual or methodological quarrel with you. Though this is the first time I read your posts. probably.
I think you may agree that Koine Greek became to be of great lack of vowel length differentiation by the year 0 or later.
Check the Latin vids of me and ScorpioMartianus to find the most informed pronunciation of Latin perhaps in the entire world.
In Latin, which is …
That phoneme became promptly as it is now in Spanish most likely, as indicated by Latin name VALERIVS being spelled as BALERIVS, thereon, analogically to Greek and Italian (in terms of only the b to v part), from such a bilabial one to a labiodental.
In Latin, which is off topic, but alas, new topic, the Latin pronunciation of consonantal V as almost English [w] ended probably almost everywhere by the 3rd century AD. Quintilian asserted that this phoneme was/used to be done with ROUNDED LIPS.
Therefore I use an …
Therefore I use an educated guess kind of a slightly Italianesque way of pronouncing Latin, but with full use of the restored phonetics as is apparent for the time period almost arbitrarily named LATINITAS AVREA. [lati:nita:s] [aurea]. I do not aspirate k p and t, unlike the Anglophones. I think it is possible to do amazing things with ancient languages. Anyone who hasn’t has been lazy.
AD DOMVMQVE REVERTOR was mostly auricly pronounced as: [ad do’mungkwe rewerrtorr. INIIICIAAMVS ERGO!
A lot of people …
A lot of people could benefit when there would be a large pronounce-right-athon of antique languaged without referees, but with an undieingly friendly attitude. May there be a day really soon when on YouTube, that happens. I will win with my Latin (check my Latin video), and a close second may be the user ScorpioMartianus. But there is no guarantee that I will win, but I do think that Classical Latin wasn’t pronounced with and anglophonic variant of restaured pronunciation.
The language whence …
The language whence Greek in all of its forms came, as well as Latin and other European and Indian and Persian languages came, had the word root sound phi as bh, which in Sanskrit remained the same, but in Greek became p + h = and aspirated p, like in English, but somewhat similar to blowing out a candle. Really difficult to put into words. BTW I don’t know the Greek language in any of its varieties. The way I see it, it has changed a lot.
Agreeing with: it’s …
Agreeing with: it’s not enough to learn how to pronounce Greek. The difference will come when you are able to think in Greek. I agree with the dynamics of your arguments and assertions, but not with the forcefulness. But thanks.
In my view, Greek pronunciation can be learned in a few months of intense oral training with someone who has the knowledge. There is a reason why the Romans always differentiated their AE from long E, and Greek phi from Latin F. This is the first thing to know.
thoukydides
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thoukydides
Lovely language.
[th(o)ukyd'ide:s] – ancient.
[thukid'idis] – modern.
Highly irregular …
Highly irregular spelling. No idea from me.
Hello! This is …
Hello! This is greek “Æλɛs”?
And can somebody tell me what does it mean? Thanks ^^
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